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Who was the best villain in terms of how they were written?

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  • Eremas
    Eremas Member Posts: 2,556 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    edited February 13 #12

    All those Pokemon that were KO'd and trainers [and Rockets] whited out to get to the top make him a villain.

  • MonstaDash
    MonstaDash Member Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭✭
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    The best villain writing wise is probably Lusamine (Sun/Moon), having her as ruthless and obsessed with Nihilego.

  • TheJeffers
    TheJeffers Member Posts: 2,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Eremas

    I think stopping the Rockets was justified, actually. They robbed people, kidnapped Pokémon, and held Silph Co. employees hostage.

    It's a shame the only police in Kanto were too preoccupied with a luxury cruise and standing in front of a burgled house (with the burglar waiting patiently in the back garden, naturally), or someone who had graduated from elementary school might have been available to stop them instead.

    As for knocking out Pokémon, Black and White has solidified that it is morally correct to beat up Pokémon all day. You can still be a good boy and N was just wrong and Game Freak would never morally condemn their own players for engaging with their game's core gameplay loop...

    So yeah, I don't see how Red is a villain. An antagonist to Gold/Ethan, perhaps. But as discussed previously, an antagonist is not inherently a villain.

  • Hades0918
    Hades0918 Member Posts: 10,564 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Um…

    Is the word @Eremas used allowed on here?

    I didn't think that's considered fine

  • fineasmatei
    fineasmatei Member Posts: 2,760 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I hope a ditto is the villian for pokopia

  • Voltareon2012
    Voltareon2012 Member Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Lysandre is one I feel like at the very least touched me, because he’s willing to do whatever it takes to achieve a perfect world that has no greed, no hunger, no suffering. A final act of selfishness to end selfishness- fire with fire. And unlike many of the Pokémon villains, he never- EVER!- admits he’s beaten or that he was wrong.

  • TheJeffers
    TheJeffers Member Posts: 2,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Phrasing aside...

    He doesn't make much sense to me, in part because he only shows up early on to telegraph the fact that he was the obvious villain, then dumps his world destruction plot on you towards the end of the game.

    The other reason is that the members and actions of Team Flare seem either unrelated or entirely antithetical to his plan. They are exactly the people he claims he would like to eliminate.

    Claims that a villain is misguided or deluded can only carry you so far, and if you have to resort to defending their actions through insanity pleas, at that point you can't really point to any kind of logic or justification for their nonsensical actions.

    Being vengeful and stubborn about your beliefs even in the face of defeat and others pointing out the obvious contradictions or catastrophic consequences of your plans isn't the hallmark of a strong moral character or intellect. Quite the opposite.

    All of this might be somewhat forgivable in the context of presenting an entertaining villain in your fictional story, but he's not even that. Even he seems bored and disinterested in his own plan. I think the only thing people really remember about him is his bizarre robot arms in the final battle and angrily threatening to make you immortal as punishment for defeating him.

    That and he kind of looks like Ganondorf.