I Love The Game/Hate How People Play
I'm a bit late to the TCGLive App but I've been playing for a few months now and it just feels like no one tries building anything on their own anymore and it's making the game more annoying than anything.
I have three decks and have built them based off how I like to play and through trial and error. But it seems to be the more players I play against this isn't the case. It feels like people go online and look up what are the meta/broken decks to play and build them verbatim. I've run into so many dark Charizard, Arcanine EX and Hisuian Zoroark V decks it's insane. I lacks so much creativity and thought and it honestly makes the game less fun to play when I run into these decks all the time. Are they impossible to beat? No, however some of those decks can legit end games in three moves but furthermore it's just boring to play against the same decks over and over.
I've read the threads here that basically say that's what you're going to run into in ranked because it gets a little sweaty but it's bleeding so much into the casual that there are times I get annoyed running into one of these decks back to back that if I see it I just concede and leave the game alone for a few hours.
I know this is a community that's passionate about this game and again I'm new to it. I will not pretend to know the inner workings of how gamefreak runs it. I will say this and it may upset some people. In MY personal OPINON, if you're running a deck that you had to look up online because it's busted/broken/meta and then proceed to win back to back, that is not a showcase of skill. You didn't build it yourself, there was no strategy on your part. You did the equivalent of looking up a recipe online. You took the ingredients (i.e. the cards), prepared it by the book and it gave you the result the recipe said it would.
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unfortunately, the mindset of most players is to win
and using a premade-meta deck is the easy to win button. I personally have been working around with my own decks…one I made for Darkrai-VStar and one I made with Glimmora EX. Both of which I have had reasonable success with
However again…most people want to have an easy win and decks like Arcanine EX, Charizard EX, and Lugia-VStar are very well built and very easy to play
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I really hated it when I went in for surgery and the surgeon had been to medical school and copied techniques from other surgeons. Why couldn't he have just come up with his own original medical and surgical techniques? He must be a really bad surgeon.
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@TheJeffers bro...that was an extremely lame comment. Terrible comparison. But still, just copying what another surgeon does an not trying to actually learn for yourself isnt going to make you a good or great surgeon. But we are talking about a game an not something as serious as surgery.
@Tumberlin unfortunately dark charizard deck is just broken. An just my opinion , but is ruining online game. Ive been just losing all interest playing becuz im so sick of getting matched against it. I do the samething an just quit right away.
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The game incentivise players to win (without losing) in order to finish the Rank Ladder and Battle Pass in a relativly short period of time. Then they give away the top decks for free... what you expect would happen...
"Don't hate the player, hate the game."
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This is a really bad take and misses the point of the original post. I can't believe you are comparing TCGs to surgery.
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No, he actually makes a solid point. The idea is if something worked once, why not use it again? That's what doctors and artists and authors and fashion designers and movie directors and so many other people do. As human beings, we're inspired by each other's ideas. That doesn't mean we aren't creative or are just stupid copycats. If something is working, people are going to play it.
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Did you know an analogy does not necessitate two things being equivalent in all aspects? You can contrast wildly different things.
Don't just say I'm stupid or obviously wrong. Explain it.
Why is learning surgery, or any skill, from more experienced practitioners fine but the second it applies to card games suddenly it is detrimental?
Why does everyone have to reinvent the wheel every time? And do you think that two people playing the same deck will exhibit the exact same performance, as if there is no skill in play, only deck building?
There are always going to be better or optimal strategies. A meta is the result of a wide range of players pooling their experience to develop an optimal strategy.
You don't have to like it. And you are free to try and develop your own superior decks if you have the secret knowledge that everyone missed about the true best deck.
Of course, if you are right, your deck becomes the meta deck.
But people are going to use the tried and true methods, just as surgeons are going to use proven medical techniques rather than cutting into their patients randomly to be original and creative. In surgery, as in competitive card games, there is no room for suboptimal plays if you want to succeed.
We can have this thread as many times as you like. And we will have it many times after this. We have had this debate in every card game, in every competitive game, multiple times a year since before many of you were born. You can flag my post as many times as you like. It doesn't do anything and I won't get banned. But you will have to come to terms with these truths.
You still don't have to like it, though. No one said you had to like it. But you'd probably be happier if you made peace with it.
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And that's understandable, again I am by no means a hardcore TCG player and with the way that you can't use real currency (which is a great thing btw) the start up can be difficult. I know everyone isn't going to do the trial and error method I use to build a deck and play. Some people just want to win. Personally I feel like if you don't build it yourself TO ME what's the point?
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