Celebi

At least give a real example... 25 coin flips will never happen in a real serious scenario... the game would be over long before you have the energy required for that... and even with that unrealistic amout you could still do zero damage.

Luck it's actually one of the reasons Celebi deck it's not better than those decks you mention lol check tournaments results for real facts (or if you have the other decks learn how to play the current meta builds better)… Mewtwo and also Pikachu are both having way better top placements and far better overall results… this means they win more and more consistently.… so those two are simply better.

There are even other decks that have easy match up vs Celebi... at least 3 (or even 4) meta decks are performing significantly better. That said the deck it's great but far from being broken or dominate the meta, so to nerf any card of that deck would be nonesence.

In my posts of this thread I tried to explain how Pokemon TCG works regarding meta and nerf/bans, if you can't understand or accept it you better move on to another game because things will be like this most of the time a new set is released.

That just shows how far from the other top decks that decks is... if you need over 25 turns and to attach 11 energies (to a single Pokemon) to win a serious battle… lol you probably understand how high luck based it is... and you want to nerf it even more, to need 20 attached energies to win? lol

And 0 out of 25 it's unlikely, but it's not only absolutely realistic but also would for sure happen... you should know this if you understand anything about probabilities.

False, read the thread again... they mentioned a scenario with 22 coin flips (probably their highest count if you believe them)... and that’s not 25 like they said in the first place... it's less.

And this: "25 is easily obtainable"… loool you are the one that never played this deck a single time for sure, you don't even know it can't be an odd number with Serperior benched.

And anyone that plays this deck often enough like I do will tell you 25 coin flips means you don't have Serperior benched, so that requires 25 actual energies attached... so no it's not easily obtainable.

And again check tournaments results and tell me how many large tournaments Celebi ex won? Then check again and tell me how many Mewtwo or Pikachu won (since this new set was released)... you will understand it's not as good as you believe...

Or if you don't understand tournaments, just actually play the deck at least for a week and tell me your win rate... and while on it also tell me in that week how many times did you coin flip "25 times" lol... you will see it's not "easily obtainable".

Btw I understand by your statement that you are most likely trolling now, so I will ignore if you keep posting nonesence.

@Pokémon342548

Nerfing is a term generally used in games to refer to reducing the power or effectiveness of a mechanic or gamepiece, usually for the purposes of balancing the game. This could be a character, a weapon or, in card games, a card.

Physical cards are difficult to rebalance after release, because they are physical objects already printed and released to the public. Most card games will simply ban problem cards, but others choose to errata them. This presents a problem however, because while future printings can reflect the changes in an errata, existing printings do not, and the fact that the physical card no longer accurately describes the card's abilities can cause a lot of problems for people unaware of the changes, particularly in tournaments.

A key advantage for digital only card games is that any errata will immediately be reflected in the digital client following an update, and since you need to be updated to play opponents, everyone will always have the latest version of every card. Although it can be a bit jarring the first time a player uses a card if they do not know about the changes.

In Celebi's case, there are a number of nerfs that could be implemented.

They could reduce the damage its attack deals. They could reduce its HP so that it remains powerful but can be knocked out faster. A glass canon. They could increase its weakness to fire beyond +20, so that the decks that counter it are more effective at countering it. They could even make it worth 3 points on knockout, making it a risky match losing play.

Since a lot of Celebi's potency comes from Serperior's ability, nerfing or removing that is also an option.

I hope you now have a better understanding of the term "nerf" and what people are asking for in this case.

if nerfs happen I would like there to be a place that we can see changes like a link in game. And have an encyclopedia of previous changes.