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Are there any characters which you don't understand/ agree with the hype for?

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  • Lonestar85
    Lonestar85 Member Posts: 171 ✭✭
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    Not sure I agree with that. They broached the subject early on in the Anime with respect to Pikachu. During the fight with Lt.Surge, his Raichu beats Pikachu handedly. Ash is then given a Thunder Stone at the Pokémon Center where he has to weigh the choice of evolving Pikachu or not. Pikachu refuses and Ash makes up his mind to leave the choice of Evolution up to the Pokémon and not him. That's why he doesn't mind Squirtle or Bulbasaur are still in their first form and in Bulbasaur's case, he too faced the dilemma later on in Season 1 and chose not to evolve.

    As for other main characters, they all have Pokémon that evolve eventually. The only thing they're guilty of is pushing the Pika-Clone of each generation. Granted it didn't start with the main characters until Dawn caught Pachirisu, Iris with Emolga, Bonnie with Dedenne, Sophacles with Togedemaru, etc.

  • Voltareon2012
    Voltareon2012 Member Posts: 326 ✭✭✭
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    My grandparents at some point got 'Pokémon' and 'Pikachu' backward, so every Pokémon was a 'Pikachu' and my favorite 'Pikachu' was 'Pokémon'.

  • Voltareon2012
    Voltareon2012 Member Posts: 326 ✭✭✭
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    Yeah. Team Rocket feels like… I don't know, too real? We're in a world of electric rodents and 10-year-olds who never age. I mostly just like Giovanni and Mewtwo's whole story. And then Lysandre's goal of wiping out all but team Flare, in an attempt to stop war, fighting, so on… he starts to cry when he says Pokémon will no longer exist in his new world. He sincerely thinks what he's doing is for the greater good.

  • TheJeffers
    TheJeffers Member Posts: 1,825 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    What did stealing fossils, shutting down the power plant, taking over the Pokéball factory and bullying an Abomasnow have to do with their goal of firing the ultimate weapon and destroying the world?

    Maybe the power plant thing would make some sense if not for the fact that the weapon was powered by the box legendary, not electricity.

    Team Rocket were a gang of petty thieves turned crime syndicate. They were a Japanese developer putting a family friendly (for gen 1 Pokémon, anyway, so still pretty dark) Yakuza in their game.

    Most of their activities had to do with stealing things and making money. That was the goal for the average member. Giovanni may have had bigger plans and larger schemes, but the actions of your average grunt on the ground fit their MO.

    Since then, Game Freak had a big problem with making team bosses essentially super villains with world altering plans and cataclysmic consequences, but having them lead Team Rocket with the serial numbers filled off. The grunts still act like petty criminals pulling scams rather than adherents of major cults or organisations with grand, unified goals.

    It's not until the final act that the team's grand plan is revealed and they have to pretend that all the nonsense they pulled throughout the game to inconvenience the player was in service of this plan all along.

    Game Freak did improve with SM, making Team Skull a parody and subversion of this trope and having the Aether Foundation act as the more serious organisation scheming behind the scenes.

    Of course they fell back into bad habits with Team Yell, while also pulling the Aether twist but lazier. Why were they even a team? And Team Star was another subversion, not being villains at all.

    But Team Flare played it completely straight, and arguably exhibited the worst excesses of being Temu Team Rocket.

    I really hope Game Freak abandon the strict checklist of things that were in gen 1 so must be in every game, "evil teams" like Team Flare chief among them.

  • Catcatmyoop
    Catcatmyoop Member Posts: 69 ✭✭
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    Would you rather just have a Pokemon game with NO evil team then?

  • Voltareon2012
    Voltareon2012 Member Posts: 326 ✭✭✭
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    I've got a giant point coming. Soon as it gets through approval.

    Aaany second now.

  • TheJeffers
    TheJeffers Member Posts: 1,825 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    We've essentially had that for the past two generations now.

    But yes. The concept has only existed so long because of rigid adherence to the formula of the original games. It is superfluous to many games' narratives.

    Maybe gen 10 will be bold enough to abandon it entirely, and we won't have to deal with Team Floopledoop trying to steal everyone's left sock or something.

  • Eremas
    Eremas Member Posts: 1,725 ✭✭✭✭
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    oh God, I'm i'going to feel bad for not having my thoughts together on this or for not writing too much. But Lance. He isn't the first heroic person ever(just an icon in Pokemon lore) and just got delt a good hand in Pokemon he trained.

  • Voltareon2012
    Voltareon2012 Member Posts: 326 ✭✭✭
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    Brilliant. Everyone's left sock: that's the best idea ever! (sarcasm here)

    Really though, a team more shooting in things impossible in the real world is a lot more interesting to me than mafia with creatures instead of whatever. Not nearly as intense as Team Galactic, Team Plasma, Flare, Aether, Rose, Turo…

    Just less urgent to me. Like, ah, Team Rocket is bad. They hurt Pokémon. Giovanni seems more like the person who will tell you, "I'm evil and I'm proud of it."

    Whereas team flare: Oh crap, you are KILLING Pokémon. You want to WIPE OUT Pokémon, and Lysnadre believes he is doing the right thing. He doesn't think he's doing what is wrong. He says the world is evil, and he is trying to start again.

    Maybe you just don't have the same taste as me. But for one thing, the impossibility is better for me, and also… when someone is the bad guy in the story, I always think they shouldn't CALL themself the 'bad guy', unless they just see 'bad' as a side. Like in war, did either side say, "We're the bad guys!"? No. Again, these are my own tastes. But Pokémon WITHOUT a bad team? That seems just… boring. I'm not interested in beating the Pokémon League HALF as much as I want to prove to Lysandre what he's doing isn't the only way to make a difference. That final champion match isn't as important as picking up the rusted sword and taking down Eternatus. The last gym battle isn't as urgent as proving my bond with my Pokémon to N.

  • Voltareon2012
    Voltareon2012 Member Posts: 326 ✭✭✭
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    Team Flare took the fossils for research on 'restoring' Pokémon: for waking up the legendary.

    No power? No easy way for others to get news. Helps them lie low.

    Without Pokéballs to catch Pokémon with, 'unworthy' trainers can't catch Pokémon.

    Abomasnow is a Pokémon with Mega Evolution. That specific Abamasnow even has its Mega Stone. Team Flare wanted it for Lysandre.

    Happy now @TheJeffers?