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I'm just gonna say it... nerf or ban Giratina EX
I doubt there are any naysayers left at this point, now that a whole new set has been dropped for over two weeks now and Giratina EX hasn't lost a shred of dominance, despite Oricorio being an intended hard-counter.
Many big 500+player tournaments happened this last week and Giratina EX still dominated 70-80% of the top 10 in EVERY SINGLE ONE. No exagerration, those are literally the statistics.
It's been a defining characteristic of PTCGP that cards aren't changed, nerfed, buffed, or even banned... but I think Giratina EX calls for a policy change exception.
It's fine if one deck stays on top for a long time, or even forever, but Giratina EX isn't just on top, it's occupying 75% of the top ten spots. Comparatively, a healthy dominance would teeter at 25-30%,. That said, 75% is FARRR beyond acceptable.
I don't care how you do it. Nerf it, ban it, buff its counters, whatever. Just recognize that this card is a problem and do something about it without repeating the same design dilemma as Regice in the EX era of the TCG.
Something like:
[Basic] Tropius EX — 150 HP
Ability: Aerial Maneuver - If a pokemon's attack did more than 100 damage to Tropius during your opponent's last turn, you may switch it with a benched pokemon and heal 100 damage from it
LCC: Leaf Gust - 60
Weakness: Fire +20 - Retreat: CC
It being a leaf pokemon with lots of HP would mean it would have access to healing that would counter the Greninja & Darkrai approach.
Everyone I know in-person that plays this game are saying they refuse to particpate in player battles now because they're tired of Giratina EX and so am I. The Darkrai phase was bad, but this is a whole different level.
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depends on how you counter it. Sometimes its really weak and sometimes its op. I quit using it cause i found it mostly useless.
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“Oh no! A ex card is broken and dominating the meta! Something must be done about this!”
cough mewtwo, celebi, darkrai cough
how are people still shocked that broken ex cards are being released? You want a counter to the current broken ex card? Wait for the next broken ex card.
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Don't strawman me.
I didn't complain about Mewtwo, or Celebi, or Darkrai (Okay, I complained about Darkrai's frequency, but not its power).
Giratina EX is VERY different from those other mentioned cards. None of them ever had more than a 25% representation in tourney top tens. Giratina EX consistency has 70-80%.
Comparing Giratina EX to Mewtwo, Celebi, & Darkrai is a false equivalency.
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giratina is dominating the meta. Before it was darkrai, before that celebi, before that mewtwo.
to say that giratina is just another in a long line of broken ex cards is hardly a straw man argument, and more just fact.As someone who cares not in the slightest about the battling aspect of this game, let alone tournaments, I cant speak to those stats, nor do i care about them.
The issue at hand is:
Giratina ex is a overpowered card given the rest of the available cards.
To that i say:
An ex card is overpowered. Whats new?In less than a week a new expansion is dropping and this issue will persist, just with a different card. That has been consistent since day 1 of this game
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You're not acknowledging the fact that a 25% dominance is hardly comparable to an 80% dominance and that that difference absolutely matters.
Your position is like saying "Eh, 6, 8, 10, 1,000,000... they're all even numbers". No, one of them is clearly not like the others and you're being disingenuous to pretend that isn't true.
I never wanted Mewtwo nerfed or banned
I never wanted Celebi nerfed or banned
I never wanted Darkrai nerfed or banned
They were over-powered in the respective metas, but not so much to warrant the extreme position that they should be nerfed or banned.
Giratina is overpowered by so much that it DOES warrant a nerf or ban.
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Me basically saying “i don't care about tournament stats, so im not qualified to talk about those” is acknowledgment.
Im not focusing on those stats because i honestly dont care that much about this game watch other people play the game, or to follow tournaments, or let how other people play in those tournaments matter to me.
Those stats may very well be true, but the fact remains, those dont really matter as much as you seem to think they do. They made a good card. Of course people are going to use it. I dont understand why thats so shocking to you. Is it because you've been disillusioned and finally realize that battles are just the same repetitive slop and is not nearly as skill based as you may have thought? If so, welcome to the general consensus about the battles in this game. Many of us have held this opinion from the start.also you may not have called for a nerf on every previous meta dominant card, but others have. You may very well be the only person ive seen complain here about giratina however? I dont check these forums often anymore because i generally dont play the game anymore beyond opening daily packs. But i can recall many people disliking the dominance of mewtwo, celebi, and darkrai.
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"Im not focusing on those stats because i honestly dont care"
You not caring about the facts does not just make the facts go away.
"Those stats may very well be true, but the fact remains, those dont really matter as much as you seem to think they do. "
Excuse me, but your opinion is hardly fact. The statistics I reference, however, are facts.
"They made a good card."
Downplaying to your false position is not a good argument, is disingenuous, and you repeating this refuted premise several times is fallacy of assertion.
"Of course people are going to use it. I dont understand why thats so shocking to you."
Strawman fallacy. I said or implied no such thing. What I really said was that there has never been a card even close to this meta-warping before now... but you know that and are just being disingenuous because you are incapable of either conceding a point or knowing when you should.
"Is it because you've been disillusioned and finally realize that battles are just the same repetitive slop and is not nearly as skill based."
I don't know rock you've been under, but I've been one of the most vocal players talking about exactly that since the first week of launch.
Anyhow, it's beside the point, because this is different, and the fact that I have to keep repeating this, only for you to sidestep it every time, feels like banging my head up against a wall.
"you may not have called for a nerf on every previous meta dominant card, but others have."
Another strawman. What others have to say about the subject has nothing to do with my position.
"You may very well be the only person ive seen complain here about giratina"
Look up the evidence pyramid. The weakest evidence is anecdotal (What you are stating here), the strongest is observable fact, and the second strongest is verifiable statistics (What I have provided).
Welcome to the art of debate.
Therefore, I don't care what you have or haven't seen, or the fact that you're somehow not aware of every gaming website that talks about this game (Like TheGamer and IGN) having written at least one article about how Giratina is by-far the most overpowered card yet.
"But i can recall many people disliking the dominance of mewtwo, celebi, and darkrai"
Another fallacy of assertion, as I have refuted this position multiple times already.
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All fallacy of assertion and strawman fallacies.
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